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Xpl0iter · Apr 24, 2006, 04:00 AM // 04:00

@ Thor
Dude, you need to PLAY as an ele in pvp to KNOW what you are talking about. I do not want to flame you any more than i already have, others are doing an excellent job at it too. Read what Starbo just said to u in his post.

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Originally Posted by RotteN

blinding flash doesn't need a nerf, it's a condition, there are billions of ways to get rid of those ... and even with all the blinding flash spam/blurred vision/shadow of fear/faintheartedness/.... (insert all the other warrior hate here), warriors are still able to kill, so it's not overpowered either ...

"warriors are still able to kill"
Exactly. And we can't. A mesmer can tease a warrior with hexhes, so can a necro, though necro wont be as efficient as a mesmer. But, eles... well, thats a whole different issue now, isin't?

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Originally Posted by RotteN

and to Xpl0iter : if you think ele's are the worst class in the game, why are you still playing one ?

Ur not getting it, are u ? Let me make it easy on you rotten. What i am saying is that, i LOVE ele, and its the WORST class right now, which it should *NOT* be. get it? I Love eles right now in guildwars not cause of their skills, but cause of my own nature which attracts me to this specific profession. What i HATE the most is the fact that, ANET needs to WORK on this class. I hope i am quite *clear* this time. This profession class needs Serious work done. You need to have a look at ensign's thread. Have fun searching. it is called Why nuking Sucks.

Regardz
An Elementalist.

EternalTempest · Apr 24, 2006, 06:10 AM // 06:10

Ensign's Conceptual Issue With Elementalists Thread http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=141050

Lodurr · Apr 28, 2006, 05:30 AM // 05:30

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Originally Posted by Xpl0iter

@ Thor
Dude, you need to PLAY as an ele in pvp to KNOW what you are talking about.

I play as a War most of the time and I agree with Thor. All those condition-removers have a cooldown time while Blinding Flash has almost none, and Eles focused on it can keep it up nonstop. I played a game in TA where I was Blinded literally every five seconds, and even using the best condition remover of them all--Plague Touch--it was a big hassle. If I didn't bring a condition remover, or used something like Purge Signet that took 20 seconds to recharge, I would be Blinded 100% of the match and there would be nothing I could do to be effective.

That's called an exploit.

Xpl0iter · Apr 28, 2006, 05:39 AM // 05:39

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Originally Posted by Lodurr

I play as a War most of the time and I agree with Thor. All those condition-removers have a cooldown time while Blinding Flash has almost none, and Eles focused on it can keep it up nonstop. I played a game in TA where I was Blinded literally every five seconds, and even using the best condition remover of them all--Plague Touch--it was a big hassle. If I didn't bring a condition remover, or used something like Purge Signet that took 20 seconds to recharge, I would be Blinded 100% of the match and there would be nothing I could do to be effective.

That's called an exploit.

Beside keeping you blind, what else that ele did? were you Dishing out more damage compared to ele? or was he killing you with blind on you all the time?
Mind you, that happens to be one of the effective skills we got which we can spam while a warrior spams with his weapon. Think about it for sometime.

Regardz
An Elementalist

Luddendorf · Apr 28, 2006, 05:42 AM // 05:42

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Originally Posted by Lodurr

I play as a War most of the time and I agree with Thor. All those condition-removers have a cooldown time while Blinding Flash has almost none, and Eles focused on it can keep it up nonstop. I played a game in TA where I was Blinded literally every five seconds, and even using the best condition remover of them all--Plague Touch--it was a big hassle. If I didn't bring a condition remover, or used something like Purge Signet that took 20 seconds to recharge, I would be Blinded 100% of the match and there would be nothing I could do to be effective.

That's called an exploit.

That's called you're dead wrong. An exploit? What a joke. Learn how the classes work.

That ele is going to be crying when he has a mesmer on him. With proper enchant stripping/diversion he isn't going to be doing anything with either prodigy or dual attunements.

If you're getting beat by blinding flash in TA plan for it and have one of your offensive casters bring a draw conditions. That will single handedly beat the blinding flash especially if the guy has a reliable energy engine (like offering or prodigy).

In RA the situation is more dicey since you can't plan for anyone else bringing it and the 2 best options are mend ailment and plague touch for self removals. Timewise things are nearly the same. Basically 5s per blinding flash, and 5s per condition removal. The energy is where the issues are though. 2 pips with 5e removal vs 9 pips with 15e application. Then again, he has to use all his energy to keep blinding every 5s and if an ele has no energy to do anything else hes basically useless except for that task, except you the warrior can continue banging away with great dps and spike for no energy cost.

Xpl0iter · Apr 28, 2006, 05:51 AM // 05:51

agreed with ludden

Rhidan Rennon · Apr 28, 2006, 07:08 AM // 07:08

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Originally Posted by Lodurr

I play as a War most of the time and I agree with Thor. All those condition-removers have a cooldown time while Blinding Flash has almost none, and Eles focused on it can keep it up nonstop. I played a game in TA where I was Blinded literally every five seconds, and even using the best condition remover of them all--Plague Touch--it was a big hassle. If I didn't bring a condition remover, or used something like Purge Signet that took 20 seconds to recharge, I would be Blinded 100% of the match and there would be nothing I could do to be effective.

That's called an exploit.

It's counterintutive to call something unbalanced when playing in Ra/Ta when these arenas are effectively built on the idea of unbalance. I can simply pacifiy spam you and take you out of the picture but that doesn't mean the skill pacify( hardly used nowadays) is overblanced. Simply because one time someone effectivly prevents one type of damage dealer of inflicting dmg does not mean that any skill is unbalanced. Think about all the times when a domination mesmer has come in and competly disabled a boon prot. We don't consider many of those skills undbalanced.

The problems rests within Ra/Ta's inability to allow for the fluid transfer of pressure, damage, and support. Let's take for instance the boon prot from above. He probably can go agianst team after team of warrior heavy teams because he recieves little pressure other than focused damage. He starts a next match only to be flat out owned by a mesmer. This results from multiple sources: the monk has no dedicated support heal as the healing is very focused, the damage can't apply pressure to the mesmer because they have to drop the monk, and there is no direct caster pressure that can effectively put out the mesmer while maintnaing damage on the healers. I think this results from the lack of skill slots in Ra/Ta, the lack of experiance in players, and also a lack of communication.

So don't go around thinking the elementalist who just owned you has unbalanced skills but realize that the arena of your choice is highly designed to be unblanced. You will lose and win more over the long run based of the builds of other teams.

cookiemonkie · Apr 28, 2006, 07:50 AM // 07:50

Thats really the nature of 4vs4. There are skills in this game that seem overpowered, blinding flash IS NOT one of them. When you go to TA someone on your team has to have a conditions removal besides just the monk. The monk has no room in TA for hex removal since protective spirit is needed and also contemplation of purity as well as signet of devotion to handle energy denial and hexes, someone else on your team should have a couple of hex removal spread amoung 2 other members.....

Some of you must have ran into me in TA playing my blinding ele

At 15 energy cost casting blind around leaves the ele with very little energy to do much else with.... sure the air ele may be able to provide spike damage every 25 seconds or so, but really thats about it if they are busy blinding the entire time. And the time that the ele spikes a target, the damage isn't very impressivd at all compared to mezmers or warriors addrenaline spikes.

If you want to see whats annoying and spammable right now, its the dodge / storm chasser / oob / Vampiric touch / Vampiric bite Ranger.... From what I've seen since the Factions release, its becoming the IWAY of team arenas. Use Awaken the blood; sprint up to a target... and spam away vampiric touch / bite.... just watch your screen to make sure diversion doesn't come up as a hex condition and you're set. Backfire / Spell breaker doesn't work since both are "skills".

Dove_Song · Apr 28, 2006, 02:35 PM // 14:35

nerf it now, every GvG I've been in for the past month I've had to go trapper b/c I am blind 90 percent of the time.

I think Ele's should be given their "gangbuster" powers back...i'd rather get killed by a huge NUKE KILLS FIRE BURNFEST...then die from bordem...

Turning Ele's into Blind Bots is not the way to keep the class viable in PvP.

We still win...but it's just rediculous....I'm tired of fighting 5 mes/ele's that all use blind then orb....

they go man to man...blind all the potential attackers...then call a target and spike it....

the recharge on this should be 45 seconds at least.

Ele's have plenty of other defensives that work in a blanced way...mist form...kenitic armor....obsidian flesh...etc.

Personaly......we're waiting till this FoTM wears off.

Xasew · Apr 28, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26

Dark Apostacy>Ether Prodigy

There are so many new enchantment removals, that it's now more balanced than before.

Xpl0iter · Apr 28, 2006, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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Originally Posted by Dove_Song

nerf it now, every GvG I've been in for the past month I've had to go trapper b/c I am blind 90 percent of the time.

I think Ele's should be given their "gangbuster" powers back...i'd rather get killed by a huge NUKE KILLS FIRE BURNFEST...then die from bordem...

Turning Ele's into Blind Bots is not the way to keep the class viable in PvP.

We still win...but it's just rediculous....I'm tired of fighting 5 mes/ele's that all use blind then orb....

they go man to man...blind all the potential attackers...then call a target and spike it....

the recharge on this should be 45 seconds at least.

Ele's have plenty of other defensives that work in a blanced way...mist form...kenitic armor....obsidian flesh...etc.

Personaly......we're waiting till this FoTM wears off.

*Laughs* judging a profession just by Blinding Flash? Am amazed.

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Originally Posted by Dove_Song

"Ele's have plenty of other defensives that work in a blanced way...mist form...kenitic armor....obsidian flesh...etc."

You ripped dude? If we are there just to defend ourselves, its better we dont even go there at first place. if we can't contribute to the damn team and help save them, what is our point in that team any way ? Clear me, i am waiting.

Evilsod · Apr 28, 2006, 06:44 PM // 18:44

LMAO @ 45 seconds. If thats not a completely pointless rant that bypassed your brain i don't know what is. Your all whining simply because that blind bot ele is stopping you hurting anything? Anet stopped eles hurting anything, they found a new role instead, stopping YOU hurting anyone.

If you can't take it anymore go make yourself an elementalist and go kill the Master of Lightning in Isle of Nameless or go laugh at the Master of Hammers/Axes feeble attempts to hit you through Blind.

Xpl0iter · Apr 28, 2006, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

LMAO @ 45 seconds. If thats not a completely pointless rant that bypassed your brain i don't know what is. Your all whining simply because that blind bot ele is stopping you hurting anything? Anet stopped eles hurting anything, they found a new role instead, stopping YOU hurting anyone.

If you can't take it anymore go make yourself an elementalist and go kill the Master of Lightning in Isle of Nameless or go laugh at the Master of Hammers/Axes feeble attempts to hit you through Blind.

Couldnt have agreed more.

gabrial heart · Apr 28, 2006, 09:01 PM // 21:01

Eles have been nerfed hard, over and over... now there are not too many of them left. Just in pvp random and 4v4 arenas I may run into 5 or 6 eles a day as compared with 10 bazzilion warriors rangers (lately) and necros. How about throw dirt? Bet you dont like that skill either, why dont we nerf that one too! Oh wait, rangers went interupt instead so casters (like monks especially) can't get a spell off. Everytime I use my warrior in pvp gvg, I have no complaints compared to being a monk, which is almost totally useless in 4v4 and random arenas anymore. Most guilds that are any good in hoh run 3 monk builds anymore simple because monks have it the hardest.

-Next to no anti-interupt options
-Crapola e managment (unless your a bonder) channeling? what a joke!
-Almost ALWAYS the 1st target of aggro
-waaaaay too low base e for 8 man team
-WEAK ARMOR! lol

I'm not bitching, I love the challenge of being a monk! So buck up you tough guy/gal warriors, it'll be ok...

cookiemonkie · Apr 28, 2006, 10:46 PM // 22:46

FoTM? Its a valid build, has always been that way. Nothing new. Mist form, Obsidian Flesh, Kinetic Amor? Do you even know those skills and how (in)effective they are over the course of a battle, they do NOTHING to help your team. So are therefore useless to bring into team battles, those are PvE skills.

Blinding Flash is balanced perfectly fine. Too bad for the ele that the "energy storage" mainly for ether prodigy since every other energy storage skill is trash along with every other damage skill. That leaves the ele with nothing left but to use ether prodigy and spam defensive skills. ANET balanced the elementalist in such a sucky way.

Evilsod · Apr 29, 2006, 12:07 AM // 00:07

I really doubt this was how they intended the ele to turn out. They just don't have an offensive role anymore, watching the top guilds in a GvG a week back they're E/Mo did nothing but spam Party, Blinding Flash and the occasional Ice Spikes to slow people down. Windbourne Speed obviously to help flag running etc, they really are no use as offensive characters, just snare and defensive.

Besides, Flash costs 15 energy, unless you spend your elite on Ether Prodigy there is no way in hell you can keep that up. With the new 1v1 feature try thinking up a pure ele build to kill a real person. Rangers just quit before you start, warriors, not a chance, mesmers, necros even a smiter monk? You lose miserably against all of these like it or not, add Blinding Flash in there then you can at least save yourself against Warriors and Rangers, and of course any team members they're attacking.

A User Name · Apr 29, 2006, 02:16 AM // 02:16

Ok im gonna take the middle ground here and just say it is slightly unbalanced. I mean I have played all the classes with many builds, ect, and i must admit that blinding flash is kinda unfair. Ele's can bring Air attune to reduce energy cost somewat and still keep spamming with energy regaining skills watever their preference on that matter. Considering that they have the ability to spam it, and with its relatively short casting time making it very hard to interupt. Also if you are lucky enough to have a monk in RA, (which i play very often as one), it is very hard to keep blind off those warriors with pretty good condition removal, due to cooldown times and the fact that is RA you cant build the same builds that work in GvG. I mean i could handle in GvG, conditions easily with certain builds, but they wouldnt work in RA due to the variety and the random part of it. So in RA, yes blinding flash is overpowered (even adding a sec or 2 to the recharge or lessing length a second or two could make the difference), but in all other pvp no it is not. If you dont bring condition removal in gvg and are complaining about it shame on you lol.
~sry in advance for any typos didnt proof-read to find any major errors.
~~edit: fixed a few grammar mistakes

cookiemonkie · Apr 29, 2006, 03:57 AM // 03:57

You are going to RA and saying the skill is unfair?

Xpl0iter · Apr 29, 2006, 05:01 AM // 05:01

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Originally Posted by A User Name

Ok im gonna take the middle ground here and just say it is slightly unbalanced. I mean I have played all the classes with many builds, ect, and i must admit that blinding flash is kinda unfair. Ele's can bring Air attune to reduce energy cost somewat and still keep spamming with energy regaining skills watever their preference on that matter. Considering that they have the ability to spam it, and with its relatively short casting time making it very hard to interupt. Also if you are lucky enough to have a monk in RA, (which i play very often as one), it is very hard to keep blind off those warriors with pretty good condition removal, due to cooldown times and the fact that is RA you cant build the same builds that work in GvG. I mean i could handle in GvG, conditions easily with certain builds, but they wouldnt work in RA due to the variety and the random part of it. So in RA, yes blinding flash is overpowered (even adding a sec or 2 to the recharge or lessing length a second or two could make the difference), but in all other pvp no it is not. If you dont bring condition removal in gvg and are complaining about it shame on you lol.
~sry in advance for any typos didnt proof-read to find any major errors.
~~edit: fixed a few grammar mistakes

am wondering what i should reply you with after reading your post....
Should i recomend you to try the built you actually mentioned in your post while being an elementalist? I suggest you stand in the shoes of that build which you just mentioned above before you even reply to me.

Sure, for PVP, you don't find it overpowered, but for RA, you do.
You, a ranger out of all, who has a trick for every possible side, plays one of the dirtiest builds arround to farm, has excellent damaging and hindering capabilities at most of the times, is saying blinding flash is overpowered, based on RA? ZOMG, i smell ...... a ranger.

Regardz
An Elementalist.

Evilsod · May 01, 2006, 10:55 PM // 22:55

Just look on the bright side, the air ele isn't E/N using Virulence to add insult to injury